Etymotic cable from APureSound - Page 9 - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio

OverlordXenu · 09-26-2007, 06:57 AM

If any burn in at all actually happened, it would probably happen within the first few secconds, at most, minutes.

Face it, burn-in is a scapegoat for someone not liking something. Look at what people say when they talk about burning-in stuff. Or, they blame it on the cables.

A membership at head-fi should just come with a $400 jar of pebbles.

AudioCats · 09-26-2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

I'll believe it when an experienced electrical engineer and detailed frequency response tests confirm it.

And you refuse to do such experiment yourself and find out the results with your own ears. Interesting. So it is about what other people tells you and how convincing they are, not what you hear?

Do the virgin solid core teflon wire re-cable experiment and you will see. Placebo effect? you can try to tell yourself "no there is no differece" and see if your ears agree with your thoughts.

For those that don't believe cables make a difference, good for you, that will save you lots of $$, consider yourself blessed

It is all fun

bellsprout · 09-26-2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by AudioCats

And you refuse to do such experiment yourself and find out the results with your own ears. Interesting. So it is about what other people tells you and how convincing they are, not what you hear?

Do the virgin solid core teflon wire re-cable experiment and you will see. Placebo effect? you can try to tell yourself "no there is no differece" and see if your ears agree with your thoughts.

For those that don't believe cables make a difference, good for you, that will save you lots of $$, consider yourself blessed

It is all fun

don't deny the existence of placebo effect or that being conscious of it somehow makes one immune to it.

so either the human ear is more sensitive than the finest measuring instruments or its placebo. one of the other. i'll go with placebo.

only way to make sure is to do a double blind test. but we're not allowed to discuss that on head-fi

woops

PiccoloNamek · 09-26-2007, 05:31 PM

And you refuse to do such experiment yourself and find out the results with your own ears. Interesting. So it is about what other people tells you and how convincing they are, not what you hear?

Of course. The human ear is certainly not sensitive enough to discern such minute differences, and not only that, there are also many psychological factors to consider. What I hear may not truly exist at all outside of my brain. Even an extremely small increase in volume could be perceived as a drastic increase in sound quality by the listener. All variables must be accounted for. Testing must be done according to the scientific method.

Anything less is completely unacceptable. I can't even believe you would make statement such as the one above.

ojnihs · 10-01-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by bellsprout

don't deny the existence of placebo effect or that being conscious of it somehow makes one immune to it.

so either the human ear is more sensitive than the finest measuring instruments or its placebo. one of the other. i'll go with placebo.

only way to make sure is to do a double blind test. but we're not allowed to discuss that on head-fi woops

all your posts in this thread make me go

if you two came in here to put down the product, then get a life. if you don't believe in cables making a difference, then just stay out of the threads, we don't need to read your inane babble in here

OverlordXenu · 10-01-2007, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by ojnihs

all your posts in this thread make me go

if you two came in here to put down the product, then get a life. if you don't believe in cables making a difference, then just stay out of the threads, we don't need to read your inane babble in here

So where's the proof that cables like these actually do anything?

jbloudg20 · 10-01-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by OverlordXenu

So where's the proof that cables like these actually do anything?

You are clearly not smart enough to understand what he is saying. This thread is not about the existence of cable burn-in or actual effects. It is about aproduct offered my A Pure Sound. If you cannot contribute, then stay out.

Quaddy · 10-01-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by OverlordXenu

So where's the proof that cables like these actually do anything?

where's the proof that cables don't do anything?

who has the burden to prove it? - the believers or non-believers?

nc8000 · 10-01-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by OverlordXenu

So where's the proof that cables like these actually do anything?

I doubt that there is any strict scientific proof and often it can't be measured but some things just do sound better to some people regardless and that is all that matters

PiccoloNamek · 10-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by ojnihs

all your posts in this thread make me go

if you two came in here to put down the product, then get a life. if you don't believe in cables making a difference, then just stay out of the threads, we don't need to read your inane babble in here

Inane babble? You should tone down your attitude a little bit. Nothing have said has been inane; far from it, we are trying to address an important issue.

Originally Posted by jbloudg20

You are clearly not smart enough to understand what he is saying. This thread is not about the existence of cable burn-in or actual effects. It is about aproduct offered my A Pure Sound. If you cannot contribute, then stay out.

Heavens above, what is it with the proliferation of hostile posters as of late? First someone says we're inane, than another insults the intelligence of the poster above him. What has happened to Head-Fi, and where do people like you come from? ALL of our posts have been about the product from A Pure sound! We are discussing whether or not it actually does anything!

Originally Posted by Quaddy

where's the proof that cables don't do anything?

who has the burden to prove it? - the believers or non-believers?

The burden of proof is on the party making the assertion. In this case, on the party making the assertion that changing the cable would make an audible difference, and that burning in the cable has an effect. It is up to you to prove that it is true.

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Originally Posted by nc8000

I doubt that there is any strict scientific proof and often it can't be measured but some things just do sound better to some people regardless and that is all that matters

So, regardless of whether or not a product actually does something, as long as the user can perceive a difference, that is all that matters? Sorry, but I can't (and won't) accept that.

In the mean time, we should really stop leveling insults at our fellow Head-Fiers. This sort of behavior seems to be becoming more and more common as of late, and I for one find it quite disconcerting. I really thought this place was above that sort of thing.