[obobskivich]

ok, first of all, when did we mention driving any low impedance speakers? most of whats been suggested (haven't really looked at the av123's yet, will try to track them down though) is all 8 ohms, which is what this amp is rated for, and it will handle 2 and 4 ohm loads quite nicely (from what i've heard)

i know, its the elitist perogative to hate anything that isn't obscure (sorry, i just have to say it, and i know, you'll all be riding me for "worshipping my piece of crap yamaha"), honestly the box can pull enough current at the wall to easily handle 50wpc on both channels, if not more (granted i've never put it this high), its currently handling a pair of 120wpc rated technics speakers (again, i'm expecting flames, because they aren't obscure enough to be audiophile grade) and it'll easily blow my ears and room apart before it'll blow the amplifier or speakers apart

i'm not saying this reciever is by any means top of the line, nor am I saying there isn't better, however it isn't some $299 off the shelf special that claims 110wpc x7 and can only draw 400w at the wall, yamaha's claim is 125wpc all channels driven (so two) with no issues, and from everything i've found outside of yamaha's literature, 85wpc is considered its maximum effective output into an 8ohm load

regardless of any of that, i'm not even talking about running 2ohm or 4ohm speakers off of this (if the LSi's are 4 ohm, then those are probably the only ones being talked about as low impedance, honestly i'm not looking at the LSi's though (since I can't find any to audition, at any store within ~45 minutes of me)) i'm talking about running 8 ohm speakers off of this, which its been doing faithfully for its entire lifetime)

i know, i'm gonna get backlash for this, i know, you're gonna say i'm a backwards, no-nothing tool who believes what manufacturers say, but honestly, i'm just sick of the whole audiophile mantra that only obscure, expensive garbage is the way to get "true" sound (and in reality most of it is so colored and distorted compared to what "true" sound actually is)

as far as recievers being over-rated, i don't deny it, a lot of them are, especially nowadays, but i've got no reason to believe this amplifier will "instantly explode if i connect any speakers", especially because someone doesn't like its manufacturer, or has seen a different model (a cheaper model, probably, who can say though) from the same brand explode under (most likely) extreme loading conditions

if you could scientifically show me, and i dont mean some 6moons-style bull, that my exact model of equipment will be 100% incapable of driving any speakers you want to talk about, and will instantly explode, i'd believe it, no questions asked, but if its just "oh yeah some guy with a yamaha had his amp explode driving this one pair of speakers, it started smoking, therefore all yamaha is a piece of ****", thats like saying because i know someone who knows someone who owned a given model of car, and they had trouble with that car, i should avoid that entire marquee (and i'm sure you'll probably agree with this logic too, if I put out a particular brand, lets say Ford)

and this isn't really that i've taken any offense (i haven't, honestly), its that i'm sick of the audiophile mantra towards HT equipment, that was my original aversion to making this thread, but people started suggesting things that were A) within a reasonable price range (i figured the first few suggestions would tell me to "grow up and get a real soundsystem, like a sonus faber") and B) reasonably thought out, however now its just degraded to the "audiophile only" logic, so i think we're done here.